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hey guys how's it going bear with me one

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second i am having some technical issues

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how's it going everyone thank you so

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much for joining me i am still waiting

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for victor to join me um

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he knew

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this was happening so

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yeah apologies to everyone i'm just

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gonna start shouting at everyone in the

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chat here good to see you all leroy guy

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shout out arlene fifi laura

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my brother disclosure bro how's it going

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strong wilfred jens victor sorry vincent

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michael od i see you

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neil existential minds

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my boy dan the signal good to see you

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here guys where's the new earphones well

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listen i had my new earphones in but

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i've got no sound to kind of tell me if

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they're working or not

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so

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they're here i might connect

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um

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yeah sorry guys

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like i said um

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victor knew this was happening we've

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been emailing the last few days

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i'm just gonna double check my emails

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to make sure victor's not sent me

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anything to say he can't join

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so

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get there it's all good if not

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you know these things happen um

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yeah boy

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these things happen this is the first

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time this has actually ever happened to

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me where i think where nobody's

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joined me on time so it was inevitable i

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think i'm on like interview number 39 in

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three and a half months so you know it's

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all good it's all good

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um

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yeah get andy haha get andy andy's at

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work at the moment um obviously i don't

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know for anyone that's heard andy's

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dropping the 40 minute video in about

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just over an hour

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um i've just come off of an instagram

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live with louise jimenez from the

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unidentified celebrity review and graham

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rendell that was fun

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and here we are guys so yeah nothing

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back from victor yet

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so i've he's got the link we'll see if

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he pops in or not

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if not i don't know

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do you know what i can always pop the

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link in if any of you guys want to jump

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on maybe we can do that

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but we'll see we'll give him a couple of

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minutes but if anyone just wants to chat

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or anything in the comments any

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uh nyu ap says he's releasing the video

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have you seen it vinnie

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i have seen it yes mike lodi i've seen

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it we've been working on this or andy's

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been working on this behind the scenes

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for months now um yeah i've been lucky

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enough to see the video

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it's going to be very interesting to see

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what happens when it's released

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we need a lot of analysis doing by

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independent scientists and things like

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so yeah it's gonna be interesting it's a

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good video

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definitely

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um i'm just gonna turn off some settings

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on my phone

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signal vinnie is it true that the video

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is of susan goff taking her lunch break

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in a saucer

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he spoiled it man

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it's not a saucer though i think it's an

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ice cream truck or something like that

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you know it's that same thing that she

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parks up outside people's houses i think

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john greenwald is a good person to ask

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[Laughter]

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oh man

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victor you're killing me i was really

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looking forward to this one as well i

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hope he uh

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i hope he joins us

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no no problem if he doesn't i just it's

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for you guys i feel

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sorry for

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might have to come and save me though

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let's

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see

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okay

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signal dan are you able to jump on

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and fill in for an electric conversation

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dan if you can

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let me know and i will

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send you

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the stream yard link

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um if not i'll have to cut the feed

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because i can't really talk

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right you know what i'm gonna paste the

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link the stream yard link in

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the live chat i'm gonna in like everyone

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can obviously try and join but i'm gonna

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invite

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signal khan

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if you want to jump on you can

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can you guys talk about tricksters

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i don't know about tricksters that's

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more of like a skinwalker type thing if

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i've just had a great conversation with

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luis over on instagram which i've just

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posted as well

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have chrissy ping him yeah that's a good

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idea guys i'm so sorry this is happening

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she's live right now

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bear with me guys

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ah yeah i knew this was gonna happen one

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day so it's okay

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i ain't gonna get mad it's all good is

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instagram back online

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uh it is back online you were hoping it

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was done for good

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right uh

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i have just posted the stream yard in

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the link louise

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if you have got time to jump on that

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would be great

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um we'll do like

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five ten minutes if if it doesn't show

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then i apologize um

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it is what it is you know you arrange

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these things and

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i'm sure life gets in the way or

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whatever reason and i'm not going to be

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angry or upset with victor

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so um

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alan kirk hello what type of video are

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it is a

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a uap it's a it's a flair video 40

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just wait and see people will

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people will make their own minds up when

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they see it some people will love it

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some people will hate it it's the same

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that we've always get you know someone's

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always got an opinion

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christian he is live on messenger okay

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that's good

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i've only communicated with victor

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through email so

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you know we've had quite a few back and

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forth in the last couple of days

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you know i asked him to join me early so

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we can check settings and things like

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uh christian if you're able to send him

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a message on messenger for me i'm not on

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i mean i'm on messenger but i don't have

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victor on it

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if you can say

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something that'd be great if not don't

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worry

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i i'm up for questions if anybody in

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this uh

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yeah open yourself up for questions self

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interview i'm all for that

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uh what country is this video from it's

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lara sunlink bennett good to see you as

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always lara i hope he's able to join i

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hope so too um i i've been wanting to

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speak to victor for some time if not we

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can reschedule and do it another time

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it's all good that is all good it's not

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a problem

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i'm hoping that it's just some technical

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issue hey

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get my stuff together here what's

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happening

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you brother for jumping in man i don't

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sweat dude no sweat i popped in i was

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like oh what happened big victory

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that happens

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it's the first time it's happened and

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you know what it's nearly 40 videos and

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it's never happened so it's pretty rare

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but it does happen sometimes people just

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need to forget or something crazy

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happens or

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it is what it is you gotta get control

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over it

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so listen we just had about a half an

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hour chat for the last half an hour

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before it jumps in maybe we should go

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over a couple of those points let's talk

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um hr 4350 and s2610 because they've

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been moving along quite rapidly at the

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moment yeah well it looks like they're

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going to get signed into law

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so it does yeah

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they've been approved in both the house

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and the senate and so now it's just

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you know make i i don't think between

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now and then you're going to get any

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lawmakers that stand up and go no

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nobody's brought it up yet

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other than to talk about it in a

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positive way so yeah i think i think

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it'll be law come january 1st 2022 so is

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that is that the time scale

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and when these

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authorizations get so it's just like the

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last uh the thing that gave us the june

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report when the president signed it on

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the last day of the year and then

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it because all new laws are usually

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that's the way they're done

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and it makes sense

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yeah it makes sense that it will get

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signed in because we've seen bills get

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past whether

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the figures are really close on both

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sides and this one is

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it's a lot more in favor

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across the board on both sides well

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they're both massive bills um i believe

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even i mean 43.50 if i'm not mistake i

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could be mixing them up but they're

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they're massive

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um and so they're both defense bills

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so like jazz was saying on the show a

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couple weeks ago you're not gonna get a

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lot of lawmakers that stand up and go uh

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i wanna talk about this spending here in

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the defense budget because it could be

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politicized and turned around on that

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person as oh well they don't support the

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military why are they trying to slash

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military budget

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um

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so i don't think you're going to get a

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lawmaker that's going to fight this

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i don't think a big part of this new

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fiscal budget is going to go

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to the new uap office

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but god i that's what i'm curious about

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how many dollars are going to be

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allocated to you to in the next four

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years to this office because i'm hoping

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it's in the billion

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numbers it's got to be more than 22

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that's for sure i'm hoping we get

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somewhere in the 100 million to maybe

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even billion i don't think a billion

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will be that's just crazy um

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but i mean it's got to be fun for four

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years so it's it's i'm curious to see

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how big the office is going to be how

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many people will be within the office

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how many departments will be within that

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office it's it's all that stuff gets

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worked out next year definitely so the

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thing is we've got both running parallel

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at the moment with s 26 10 hr 4350 one

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is every 90 days and one is every year

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reporting do you think it's a preference

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either way

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um i

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don't know if there's a preference if i

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had a preference i'd say i'd love to get

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one every every quarter so four every

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year and then one big report at the end

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of the year would be ideal so you get

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five reports that would be my perfect

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scenario

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and then so that way congress and the

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senate are getting briefed five times a

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year on this topic yeah listen louise

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i'm sorry to cut you off victor come in

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victor has come in

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listen you're welcome to stay if you

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want to my friend no no no no no i'm not

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going to crash this show man i just came

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in to help

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[Laughter]

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i tell you what i think you have my

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favorite last name maybe ever vigiani

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yes fijiani

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it feels like a name that doesn't take

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any bs

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you got that you got that one right

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louis exactly exactly all right well i'm

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going to let you guys get into it thanks

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a lot we'll talk soon yeah please let's

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have you on i can't wait to talk to you

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okay take care out louise later thank

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you so much

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bye man nothing but love for you thank

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you man peace

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victor how are you man sorry about that

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vinnie i bet i tried i tried uh

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linking on with the streaming art and

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then realized that uh it doesn't work

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with safari so here's me trying over and

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over again

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and then i realized that i think i did

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this maybe a couple of months ago with

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somebody else and i said i think

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only

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chrome supports stream yards so then and

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then chrissy calls me and said victor

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you're supposed to be home with vinnie

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so

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do you know what i i hold my hands up i

342
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should probably put that in

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in the emails and stuff because it is a

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known thing so i'll take i'll take a

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blame for that that's okay not a problem

346
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at all no i was ready to do it and

347
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i'm just thankful that you're here

348
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finally yeah for sure

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how are you man are you okay i'm just

350
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fine yeah for sure good good i know a

351
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lot of people are excited to hear from

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you today so again thank you so much um

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i think the first thing i'd like to do

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is just get a background on yourself and

355
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and your past your history even pre

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ufology and things like that if you're

357
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if you're up for that

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well uh where do i start

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uh i i guess um

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the the whole

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ufology thing and i don't like that word

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we can talk that talk about that later

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on but it started uh back in 1975 when i

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first started teaching

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as teachers do here in canada we have

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july and august off so i go to my

367
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cottage during the summer time july and

368
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august

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and at that time in 1975

370
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i went into berry ontario and i went to

371
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a kohl's bookstore while my wife was

372
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shopping i was just browsing around and

373
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the kohl's bookstore is like a in a

374
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noble bookstore or whatever in them

375
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right

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whatever in any case i'm just browsing

377
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through and i just see this book on the

378
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shelf called revelations by a man named

379
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jacques filet never heard of him never

380
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heard of

381
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uh you know anything ufological to that

382
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point i just picked it off the shelf

383
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inadvertently and um i began to read the

384
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forward and i said um this sounds really

385
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interesting

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uh

387
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delved into it a bit more and i said you

388
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know what's the stuff about ufos and i

389
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had really no particular interest before

390
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that to be to speak of so i bought the

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book and i brought it back to the

392
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college and i began reading it that

393
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night and it's it's just a very small

394
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book

395
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um it's not a it's not a long term or

396
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anything like that

397
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before i completely kind of digested

398
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and from that point on i was completely

399
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hooked on whatever he was alluding to

400
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and then from there i began to get

401
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involved in mufon canada and different

402
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aspects of of you know sightings and

403
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everything along those lines and from

404
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that point on

405
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i realized there was something really

406
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really dense about this whole issue

407
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and i got involved in citing reports and

408
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eventually realized that doing sighting

409
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:35,680
reports and investigating really wasn't

410
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what i needed to do

411
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i realized through a lot of other

412
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contacts to people like richard dolan

413
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and steven bassett and and other people

414
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that this was a political issue this was

415
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not sort of a lights in the sky issue

416
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and from that point on i realized that

417
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this was something so politically

418
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charged that i had to become

419
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uh an activist or researcher in this

420
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whole area and that that that all began

421
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,600
in terms of my radio show program with

422
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strange days indeed here in toronto and

423
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becoming um

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in contact with literally every single

425
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and i underline that every single uh ufo

426
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researcher of any kind of repute you

427
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,069
uh stan stan friedman all of them

428
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because of that radio

429
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pro

430
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um i i think i was able to contact and

431
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communicate with and engage with and

432
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support all of these really really

433
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powerful

434
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ufo researchers so that's how i got into

435
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it and from that everything else just

436
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grew to the point where i'm sort of

437
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very dedicated to the whole idea of of

438
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ufo uap et whatever you're going to call

439
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disclosure and getting the government to

440
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realize uh what they're doing and moving

441
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,440
forward to awaken journalists and media

442
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like yourselves uh to the fact that we

443
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are being engaged by off-world

444
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civilizations and we need to do

445
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,880
something about it so that that's it in

446
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a nutshell the story is a lot bigger but

447
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,200
that's it in a nutshell no i mean that

448
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:05,760
that rings true with myself and many

449
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,160
other people i've spoken to it just

450
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,720
you discover it it hits home and it

451
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,880
becomes an instant passion project like

452
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,320
exactly it's something you can't stay

453
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:16,799
away from exactly yeah it's it it fills

454
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,480
every waking thought almost sometimes

455
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:23,039
too much so yeah oh absolutely yeah yeah

456
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yeah and that's when i have to argue

457
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:26,480
with the other half sometimes but uh

458
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so in this whole process and over the

459
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,840
many decades and that have you ever

460
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:35,600
actually experienced anything for

461
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,080
yourself

462
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:39,679
in terms of uh

463
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,350
no not that i'm aware of uh at this

464
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point i i might i might have had

465
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something as many people who get engaged

466
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,240
in this do but i've had

467
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two particular incidents uh of which you

468
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,360
want to call it if you want to call it a

469
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,360
ufo sighting that's fine

470
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,039
the first incident was something very

471
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,720
kind of um

472
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,039
simple my wife and i were driving down

473
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one of the side roads here in

474
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mississauga ontario and port credit

475
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near the lake very close to the lake

476
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where there have been reports of orbs

477
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coming in and out of the lake ontario

478
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it's a huge it's one of the uh the the

479
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the the lakes here in um

480
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,280
in canada the great lakes and we were

481
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driving down the road and all of a

482
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sudden late at night right in front of

483
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us this

484
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for lack of a better word white ball of

485
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light zips right in front of us as our

486
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,240
car was moving west on on the side road

487
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and it lasted maybe

488
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oh i don't know

489
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8-10 seconds

490
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,549
the heck was that

491
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,320
it didn't repeat itself it i didn't know

492
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,679
where it went where it came from but

493
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,919
that was one specific sighting that i

494
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,000
that i had i've never had that happen to

495
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,520
me before but i know people have

496
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,760
articulated that to me but it just sort

497
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:06,400
of zipped and just was just gone and the

498
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:10,320
other incident was um in 1996 my wife

499
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:11,600
and i went to

500
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uh on a road trip through arizona nevada

501
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,520
and new mexico and we landed up uh just

502
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:20,880
outside of area 51 for for six nights

503
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,960
three nights to begin with we traveled

504
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,400
around and came back for another three

505
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,960
nights and on the second of the uh of

506
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,120
the trip the other three nights we were

507
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,760
in the tone upper range

508
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,400
the uh the area just outside of avery

509
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,039
51. we camped out there for for two

510
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,960
nights for three nights actually

511
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and i think it was on the second or

512
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,679
third night i forget what it was and we

513
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,200
were driving along the road going back

514
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,880
to our little campsite

515
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,200
and in the ticaboo valley and off to the

516
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,720
right which would be the north is this

517
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,200
huge mountain range and my wife said

518
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,039
what the heck is that and so i couldn't

519
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,400
see it because she was on the right side

520
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,400
of the car and i was on the left so he

521
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,520
stopped the car

522
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,520
got out

523
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:03,200
i'm i'm abridging this version of course

524
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,029
up above the range at about a 45 degree

525
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,799
angle was this

526
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,600
white dot the size of maybe a dime and

527
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,200
it was it was it was

528
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,200
almost night dust kind of thing and it

529
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,799
was just there wasn't a moon all kinds

530
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,960
of other stars out there and it was just

531
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,559
this white dot

532
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,559
and i looked at it and then as i looked

533
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,520
at it

534
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:27,919
it began to become diaphanous you know

535
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,159
like almost translucent you could see

536
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:32,720
through it and it got a bit larger and

537
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:35,760
as it got larger it began to rotate

538
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,000
and uh like a picture of snowflake

539
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,480
rotating very quickly and as it rotated

540
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,440
it turned into three

541
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,799
dots three

542
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,000
orange dots rotating as synchronously

543
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,799
okay faster and faster and faster and

544
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,559
then it coalesced back into the white

545
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,720
dot and then just went

546
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,360
at virtually light speed away from me

547
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,600
and this whole thing lasted uh believe

548
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,320
it or not it was a good i would say

549
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,159
minute and a half almost 90 seconds

550
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,640
vinny and i just could not believe my

551
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,640
eyes it was just something that you know

552
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,720
like what was that you know

553
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,640
like a head whip but it was really an

554
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,960
incredible sighting and one that i will

555
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,520
never forget now whether was it an et

556
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,600
craft i don't know

557
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,600
no but i think what's pretty amazing is

558
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,919
that you see

559
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,320
it's amazing to see a light as it is

560
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,000
which is anomalous but the fact that it

561
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,000
then zips off and and

562
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,840
shows one of the five observables that

563
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,720
we know

564
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,320
now know about through luella's under

565
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,679
etcetera that's

566
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,600
that's impressive man and quick shout

567
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,200
out thank you for the five dollars blue

568
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,840
eyes uh made it my friend glad you are

569
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,480
here um

570
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,559
so victor um

571
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,679
what i wanted to talk to you about as

572
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,720
well is

573
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,400
we talk about extraterrestrials and

574
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,919
we've talked about extraterrestrials for

575
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,919
many decades now but what are your

576
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,840
thoughts on these other hypotheses that

577
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,760
have kind of come in recently where it

578
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,200
may be other things like

579
00:23:02,909 --> 00:23:01,679
interdimensional or time travelers

580
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,919
artificial intelligence

581
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
crypto-terrestrial the list goes on

582
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,440
these days doesn't it you know yeah it

583
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,880
does it does

584
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,520
well you know i i guess i guess what

585
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:14,400
you're alluding to is the evolution of

586
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,600
how all of this has come about yeah and

587
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,520
having been involved in this for well

588
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,320
over 40 years now i'm giving away my age

589
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,600
but

590
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:26,240
well over 40 years i've seen this whole

591
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,200
issue

592
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,919
evolve from the nuts and bolts kind of

593
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,000
view it the dense ufo sightings and

594
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,080
these crafts and metallic beams or

595
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,159
metallic crafts of some kind and then

596
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,919
these you know the e.t beans in terms of

597
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,919
the grades and all of that and it's it's

598
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,000
really become interesting how it has

599
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,720
evolved over time with respect to what

600
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,880
people are seeing hearing and engaging

601
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,480
and what they're perceiving and what

602
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,240
they're speculating upon that they're

603
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,600
they're all of those are kind of wrapped

604
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,320
up in a in a very dense ball of wool

605
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,679
and um

606
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,200
uh we had a discussion the other day

607
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,360
with a group that i'm involved with

608
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,720
what what what what is an

609
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,039
extraterrestrial and

610
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,279
i i was very very clear and saying we

611
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,679
really don't know what they are uh the

612
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:10,320
only thing that we can definitely say is

613
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,000
that we are in some way being engaged by

614
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,360
some form

615
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,279
of and i'm going to put a label

616
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,840
off-world entities who are trying to

617
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,320
communicate with us in very subtle ways

618
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,080
we don't know who they are they they

619
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,080
could be interdimensional beings

620
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,679
they could be time travelers i'm not

621
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,360
sure about that one

622
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,080
but we do know that we are in fact being

623
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,640
engaged by awful civilizations that is a

624
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,440
given and there's not much argument for

625
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,559
me against that that that hypothesis

626
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,000
so um

627
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,440
you know if you want to go in different

628
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,440
direction in terms of multi-dimensions

629
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,440
or interdimensional travel

630
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,000
i would say uh it's all of the above or

631
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,120
the possibility of it being all

632
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,279
all

633
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,320
the matter is we are being engaged and

634
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,200
we have to pay attention

635
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,159
to

636
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,840
there's a multiplicity of who they might

637
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,279
be it's not just one race it's a

638
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:10,400
multiplicity of who they might be and uh

639
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,600
the contactees who i rely on in my

640
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,360
assessment of what's going on i rely on

641
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,080
them very very heavily heavily to to

642
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,840
understand what's going on because i've

643
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,760
had no direct contact and in my

644
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:24,320
discussions with dr john mack

645
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,559
back in the

646
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,480
1996-97 era when when i talked to him in

647
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,279
his office in in his harvard office

648
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,799
he was of the same opinion because he

649
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,159
had written all kinds of books about it

650
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,600
and everything that we just don't know

651
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,840
he called the subtle realm the subtle

652
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,679
realm where these beings are coming from

653
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,400
and engaging these these contact d so

654
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,760
um

655
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,360
you can you can put a label on it to

656
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,679
whatever you want to call it but

657
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,840
language really isn't sufficient to

658
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,000
categorize what it's exactly we're

659
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,000
experiencing and i think the contact

660
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,799
these have the best uh estimation of

661
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,720
what's going on and we need to really

662
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:00,480
pay attention to their experiences to

663
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,960
understand what the word

664
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:05,120
extraterrestrial means so um it's it's

665
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,420
it's a very deep and a very very uh

666
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,840
[Music]

667
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,000
of it to the general public but and that

668
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,360
that's what that's what we're all about

669
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,799
and trying to make sense of how we're

670
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,120
being engaged by these

671
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,039
off-world civilizations

672
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,120
absolutely no that was a fantastic

673
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,640
answer i think we're all kind of in that

674
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,640
agreement where we kind of have to keep

675
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,320
quite a few options on the table and

676
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,559
sure we know anything else

677
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,799
um laura sosa thank you for the 4.99

678
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,799
super sticker i'm just sticking with

679
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,559
john mack for for the moment i just

680
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,559
spoke to ralph blumenthal recently and

681
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,840
it seems like

682
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:42,480
really

683
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,320
back into the forefront and i think it's

684
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:48,559
a good thing because i think the

685
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,520
experiences themselves have been taking

686
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,600
a little bit of a back seat in the last

687
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,760
four or five years especially since with

688
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,440
the navy and the military side of the

689
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,120
subject so

690
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,480
what do you think do you think that i

691
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,159
mean i think it's pretty clear but you

692
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:04,240
think that the experiences do deserve

693
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,279
their day

694
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,120
let's say

695
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,000
well yeah um i i've had many discussions

696
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
uh with ralph ralph and i communicate

697
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,320
regularly on email and i interviewed

698
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:16,960
ralph um blumenthal

699
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,080
with respect to um the believer his book

700
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,120
i i'm not sure if you're um

701
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,520
well thank you very much lord

702
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,750
very kind um yeah um in essence his book

703
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,880
the believer um if any of your listeners

704
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,960
really want to read something definitive

705
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,559
on john mack

706
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,399
i really suggest they pick up that book

707
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,200
it's a great read it's an easy read

708
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,640
and ralph had

709
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,480
it did an incredible job with his

710
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,679
research

711
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,520
on on john mack's life and there's a lot

712
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,559
of very surprising aspects to what john

713
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,320
john's life was all about so i would

714
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,799
really highly recommend um

715
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,320
that they they take up ralph

716
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,880
blumenthal's book the believer on this

717
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,640
uh because it's a great incisive in

718
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,279
addition to any one of john's books john

719
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,200
mack's books but in in my discussions

720
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,559
with john he uh he was he was so far

721
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,720
ahead of his time with respect to

722
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,559
understanding who these contactees or

723
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,480
these experiencers were

724
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,159
and all of his work is it stays true

725
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,559
to this day to this very day that we

726
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:23,840
need to pay attention to who these

727
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,760
contactees are and how they are

728
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,159
being invested with or engaged with

729
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,640
whoever these extraterrestrials are yeah

730
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,960
so i think he's one of the focal points

731
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:36,640
irrespective that of the fact that he

732
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,789
[Music]

733
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:43,520
and

734
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,919
mack was a was the as far as i'm

735
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,520
concerned that the focal point of

736
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,159
understanding

737
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,320
this issue of how we are being engaged

738
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,840
by these off-world civilizations

739
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,600
everything from just you know the the

740
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,799
the

741
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,080
arcane and very unbelievable aspect of

742
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,399
being abducted by aliens whatever the

743
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,799
heck that means move through physically

744
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,960
move through walls i mean how do you how

745
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,279
do you understand that people see beings

746
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,559
at the end of their bed

747
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,559
they're they're raised up these beings

748
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,480
take them through a wall

749
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,720
uh they they have their cells

750
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,320
their body vibrate to a point where they

751
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,640
can move through a wall taken up into a

752
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,120
craft and have some sort of experiments

753
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:27,679
done on them brought back to their bed

754
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,559
some women experience um you know sexual

755
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,919
relations and and a hybrid implantation

756
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,840
uh within them brought back and they

757
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,440
they hold the babies eventually after

758
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:38,480
they're born

759
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,840
these things are absolutely unbelievable

760
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,600
uh with respect to what how the general

761
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,840
public would understand this this whole

762
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,320
thing but john john was brave enough to

763
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,480
bring this all forward and it is

764
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:51,600
becoming

765
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,279
almost right now as as i see it almost a

766
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,510
fact

767
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,679
the general public will begin to

768
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,480
understand this very very arcane aspect

769
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,840
of what john mack was trying to bring

770
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,919
forward with respect to the experiencers

771
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,000
and how these experiences are bringing

772
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,000
the message forward that we i go back to

773
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,600
my initial point how we are being

774
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,159
engaged by these off-world civilizations

775
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:19,840
yeah i agree and i think it's like you

776
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,919
said it's um he was so ahead of his time

777
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,520
that we're seeing such a resurgence

778
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,279
right now because it just

779
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,679
it you know it's a time when the work he

780
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,760
did then it just fits in with everything

781
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,159
right now so it does it does and i

782
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,039
hearken back uh vinnie to my time i

783
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,240
spent

784
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,840
three days with him

785
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,120
in his office

786
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,159
at harvard harvard university wow and uh

787
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,320
yeah it was just an absolute and just

788
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,679
sit across

789
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,960
you know

790
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,039
it was a very small office i was in the

791
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,200
chair and he was at his desk and we just

792
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,200
exchanged thoughts on a number of

793
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,360
different things he was very interested

794
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,960
in some of the work that i had found out

795
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,600
about um and this one the reasons why i

796
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,679
contacted him was a child

797
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,159
experiences that children had had

798
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,840
with with extraterrestrials and i i

799
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,080
pointed out three three situations that

800
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,840
i had been confronted with as a

801
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,279
principal in elementary school with

802
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,559
three children

803
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,880
who had inadvertently you know talked to

804
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:18,720
their teachers or drawn something about

805
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,029
some sort of

806
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,640
strange beings and i i didn't know what

807
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,720
to make of it and i sent some of the

808
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,159
pictures to him he was extremely

809
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:32,159
interested in and that's why i i went

810
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:33,200
down there to visit him because he was

811
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,480
very interested in the artwork of the

812
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:36,960
children and their testimony

813
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,039
yeah that's incredible so i mean you've

814
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,640
done a lot of investigating yourself

815
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,320
over the years with field research and

816
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,159
everything are there any cases that

817
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,840
stand out to you

818
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
in particular that you looked into that

819
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,399
may not be as familiar to people in the

820
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:52,799
public domain um

821
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,840
well i i think that the 1976

822
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:58,159
um ufo ex

823
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,679
exchange whatever you're going to call

824
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:01,919
in in in tehran

825
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:04,880
uh with the with the uh with the jets

826
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,919
the military jets that encountered these

827
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:09,760
ufos that

828
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,320
um were cited by uh terran uh radar and

829
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,200
there was a larger craft above terran

830
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,679
and just outside in the desert and that

831
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,279
that craft emitted

832
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,159
several um other kinds of smaller crab

833
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:25,840
down towards the

834
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,710
fours the phantom jets uh went around

835
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,440
these the these craft near the surface

836
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,080
and they shut down all the avionics and

837
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:41,760
these crafts were just coming and going

838
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,480
all over the place and this the terran

839
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:46,720
incident for me is one of the signature

840
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,159
events as to how um these these craft of

841
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,559
unknown origin uh come and go with

842
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,799
impunity first of all they there's no

843
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,200
control that anyone has over how they

844
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,039
come into anyone's airspace be it the

845
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,320
united states the uk canada or tehran

846
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:04,720
and the it was quite clear that these uh

847
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,159
f4 jets uh having experienced very very

848
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,640
close encounter with these other balls

849
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,039
of light or balls of craft or whatever

850
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,120
they are and their avionics were shut

851
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,519
down to me that's one of the very very

852
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,240
graphic representations as to what these

853
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,799
craft can do and how the military

854
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,720
interacts with these things and vinnie

855
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,200
they are virtually helpless with respect

856
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,880
to how they respond to these things

857
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,399
because of their avionics being shut

858
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,039
down their radio work and their their um

859
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,519
their radar and all of that so that that

860
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,640
to me is one of the most significant

861
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,679
physical

862
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:41,360
sighting reports that i've engaged with

863
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:49,509
interacted with these craft at the time

864
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,840
so that that to me is one of the most

865
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,240
important ones the terran ufo if anyone

866
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,600
wants to really investigate what's going

867
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,880
on there

868
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,799
yeah i completely agree it's one of the

869
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,559
best cases out there i've had a lot of

870
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,000
conversations with a lot of friends

871
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,880
about that case absolutely um just

872
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,639
changing up the subjects a little bit

873
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,000
one thing that really stood out when i

874
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,639
was looking at your work and that is the

875
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,520
connection between exo politics and

876
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,599
global warming which is something i'd

877
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,200
not really seen before but when i read

878
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,800
about it it kind of really did fit

879
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,720
together can you give us a breakdown

880
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,320
about about that

881
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,919
well

882
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,000
that article i think if i remember

883
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:29,440
correctly it was written i wrote that

884
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,839
quite a while ago yes and

885
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,520
um at the time that i wrote it it's

886
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,879
gonna have to it's gonna take some time

887
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,879
to kind of you know remember all the

888
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,560
aspects of it but i think what i was

889
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,919
trying to get at

890
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,000
uh was the fact that

891
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,040
and as and as i sort of

892
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,960
have evolved with that particular

893
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,000
article that you that that you're citing

894
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:54,879
what i've evolved from all of that is

895
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,320
the whole idea of the technology that's

896
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,800
being um

897
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,000
i guess

898
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:04,720
suggested to us by the extraterrestrials

899
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,599
about their technology and if from

900
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,560
that

901
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,400
what i'm trying to what i was trying to

902
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,320
get at i would suppose at that time many

903
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,000
many years ago was the fact that

904
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,160
whatever kinds of technology these

905
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,480
extraterrestrials or awful civilizations

906
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:22,160
have

907
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,720
communicate with us and to talk to us

908
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:28,880
about the kinds of technologies that

909
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,079
we're using um right now in in our own

910
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,480
space and time

911
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,359
to

912
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,560
engage what i call extinction behaviors

913
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:41,200
and those extinction behaviors are the

914
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,440
use of fossil fuels first of all okay

915
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:48,720
second of all the use of nuclear

916
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,079
weapons and nuclear energy second of all

917
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,920
and then again you get into all the

918
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,240
other aspects of how we recognize the

919
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,480
effects of fossil fuels with respect to

920
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,720
global warming so it's all kind of kind

921
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:03,440
of rolled together so if we continue to

922
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,079
use fossil fuels as we are right now and

923
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,119
not recognizing the dangers of that

924
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,000
we are going to become a civilization at

925
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:14,640
risk if not eventually experience what i

926
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,750
to warm the planet to a point where all

927
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:23,520
the methane gas in north pole for

928
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,280
example will just seep above the ground

929
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,000
and and create so much carbon dioxide in

930
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,240
the air and eventually it's just going

931
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,720
to be as i said it's an extinction

932
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,000
behavior okay that's one kind of slow

933
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,079
kind of aspect of what we're seeing

934
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,640
happening and it is increasing in size

935
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,400
and speed so

936
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,560
that is what i call extinction behavior

937
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:49,119
the greater threat is the use of nuclear

938
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,720
weapons and if for example um we have

939
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,240
all of these nuclear weapons in the

940
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,560
ground in the united states of america

941
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,800
in russia in pakistan

942
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,400
if for example

943
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,000
one of those countries

944
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,560
does something really silly or they make

945
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,200
a mistake or by accident they launch one

946
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,480
of these weapons

947
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,079
and then as a result of that other

948
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,079
countries launch their weapons in

949
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,520
reaction

950
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,440
we will be the harbingers of significant

951
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,480
nuclear events spread across the planet

952
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,359
that will just go viral and i'm not just

953
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,040
talking about small events here i'm

954
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,440
talking about events that will decimate

955
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:30,160
uh you know washington dc it will

956
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,589
uh cities and eventually uh those

957
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,320
nuclear weapons will uh create a

958
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,240
situation where

959
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,320
uh

960
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,400
we just can't recover from and it will

961
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,880
become an extinction event in in a way

962
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,640
that um

963
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,200
that we'll just we can't recover from it

964
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,960
so i guess what i was getting at in the

965
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,880
whole idea of global warming and all of

966
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,800
the environmental situations it's all

967
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,599
tied together in one big ball and

968
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,839
any any one mistake any one mistake by

969
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,320
these nuclear um by these nuclear powers

970
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,079
could result in something like that but

971
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,920
on the other side of the coin the use of

972
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,720
fossil fuels and our recognition

973
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,480
or some people's recognition that this

974
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,400
is the way to go you know we continue to

975
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,480
use to use you know fossil fuels to

976
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,800
power everything we we i see as soon as

977
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,520
we put it this way as soon as we find

978
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,440
out a way that something can move we

979
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,800
just stuff oil down his throat

980
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,560
that it's going to go that way and just

981
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,440
you know

982
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,440
this this electric car thing it's going

983
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:35,200
it's going to increase it will kind of

984
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,960
um expand itself but still uh the the

985
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,960
vast majority of the population is still

986
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,680
going and buying the big suvs and and

987
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:45,680
all of that in addition to all the coal

988
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,079
fire plants and everything so human

989
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,079
beings

990
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:54,240
uh fossil fuels and so it's all tied

991
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,680
together with respect to uh how the the

992
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,839
extraterrestrials and this

993
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,200
is the experiences are really kind of

994
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,520
coming forward with is that we have to

995
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,760
remove ourselves from the philosophy

996
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,079
that fossil fuels uh what will be sort

997
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,119
of a a panacea of how we engage and also

998
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,040
too nuclear weapons will be a panacea of

999
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:15,119
both of them as far as i'm concerned and

1000
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,240
many of us

1001
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,560
feel that these will precipitate in the

1002
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,599
long run

1003
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,160
an extinction event somehow somewhere at

1004
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,079
some time within the human species on

1005
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,000
our planet so that's kind of a very

1006
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,920
quick answer to what i wrote way way

1007
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,359
back then

1008
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,200
yeah but i think it's still i think one

1009
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,880
of the reasons why i picked up on it

1010
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,359
because it still holds for to this day

1011
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,040
it does yeah in what you were saying and

1012
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,560
i mean i saw something in the news today

1013
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,760
about that i think it was i can't

1014
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,320
remember it was an f-22 or an f-35 had

1015
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,200
just

1016
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,200
um leaped to the point where they can

1017
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,680
now drop nuclear bombs out of these

1018
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,599
fighters it's just still going in that

1019
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,359
negative direction

1020
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,040
it's madness it's absolutely madness

1021
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,599
yeah yeah absolutely um

1022
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,280
one thing i wanted to touch upon with

1023
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,280
you is roswell because i know that's

1024
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,800
something that you have touched upon in

1025
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,280
the past can you talk to me about

1026
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,200
your work with regards to looking into

1027
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,040
rosberg because i think most people are

1028
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,880
very familiar with it but

1029
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,000
it's what got you into it and where did

1030
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,319
you get with it if you know what i mean

1031
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,160
well um

1032
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,480
the roswell case is of course a bookmark

1033
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,079
in history for sure

1034
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,880
in 1947 um as all religions probably

1035
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,280
know uh some sort of

1036
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,560
craft crashed at the uh the brazil ranch

1037
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:30,640
in in new mexico near corona it wasn't

1038
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,000
really roswell it was uh in in a farm

1039
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,079
just outside of the the town of corona

1040
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,640
new mexico which i visited and visited

1041
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,240
the actual um

1042
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:42,800
the the bar where max brazil bought the

1043
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,839
brought the actual um uh debris and they

1044
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,599
they brought they put it on the on the

1045
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,680
counter and they tried to pound holes in

1046
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,440
and they couldn't do anything with it

1047
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,680
and and it was just fascinating to

1048
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,520
actually visit that place and the new

1049
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,680
owner this was back in 1996 as i talked

1050
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:59,760
to you about before with respect to my

1051
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,880
trip there so i visited that area i also

1052
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,800
spoke with um uh

1053
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,160
loretta proctor who uh was one of the

1054
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,720
people uh just off the farm the max

1055
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,599
brazil actually brought the debris

1056
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,440
to her and they sat around the front

1057
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,640
porch

1058
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:18,800
and he had it in his hand and loretta

1059
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,910
and she was absolutely astounded by and

1060
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,200
she'd never seen anything like that

1061
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,240
before

1062
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,640
so in talking to her while i was um in

1063
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,760
corona

1064
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,440
i spoke to her over the phone i tried to

1065
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,119
get to her house but because of the rain

1066
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,280
that had happened a day before that

1067
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,720
there was a river that was overflowing

1068
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,640
so i couldn't get there so i called her

1069
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,880
and she said no i saw it all i saw it

1070
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,480
was just this is the most fantastic

1071
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,960
material it was like a piece of aluminum

1072
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,119
as thin as a stamp and you couldn't you

1073
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,599
couldn't drive a nail through it and so

1074
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
um

1075
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,040
that was all that i needed to take back

1076
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,960
with me and engage with several other

1077
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,839
individuals one namely don schmidt

1078
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,000
who you're probably familiar with and

1079
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,839
don and i i've interviewed don several

1080
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,040
times and he's interviewed well over 600

1081
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,000
people uh with respect to his witness

1082
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,640
encounters with that he and don uh don

1083
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,200
kerry or jim carrey rather have done all

1084
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,200
the work in roswell so

1085
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,480
that event as much as people want to

1086
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,720
either discredit it or speculate that it

1087
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,040
didn't happen as far as i'm concerned

1088
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,560
the us army

1089
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,280
brought in well over 200

1090
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,520
officers or military men to scour that

1091
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,720
area

1092
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,040
a couple of days after jesse marcel who

1093
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:36,480
i um

1094
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,190
jesse marcel jr

1095
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,440
this event was real it was something

1096
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:47,119
that actually had

1097
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,079
happened

1098
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,960
and also too i mean the

1099
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,440
the many people who who live in roswell

1100
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,359
and who lived through this

1101
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,280
uh recognized that this was something

1102
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,520
that the roswell community went through

1103
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,520
and a number of people right from the

1104
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,920
bodies right from the craft

1105
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,280
all you have to do is look at some of

1106
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,200
don schmidt's work and read

1107
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,200
even stanton freeman's work on this and

1108
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,280
you'll get to realize that roswell or

1109
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,599
the crash of corona as stanton friedman

1110
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,720
calls it

1111
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,680
was in fact a real event that began the

1112
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,040
whole

1113
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,520
wider global interest in all of that and

1114
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,040
once again i think it's really important

1115
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,760
to point out benny that once the the us

1116
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:28,880
army came on to the uh to the site and

1117
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,000
and um colonel raymie published a uh a

1118
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,000
press release on it

1119
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,760
the first press release that they

1120
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,160
published on this was in fact the truth

1121
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,760
yeah flying saucer crashes in corona

1122
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,920
and it was right out there to begin with

1123
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:46,720
and and then i think the next day or

1124
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,079
several uh 12 hours later they retracted

1125
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:51,839
everything so i think it's really ironic

1126
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,750
published the truth and then they

1127
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,839
retracted it so you can well understand

1128
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:01,839
why it remains as a bookmark

1129
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,200
with respect to um it being an iconic

1130
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,599
event in ufo history uh throughout the

1131
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,680
united states and well well deservedly

1132
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,960
throughout throughout the rest of the

1133
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,240
world

1134
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,520
yeah absolutely i think they were

1135
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,200
playing damage control for many years

1136
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,560
after that initially

1137
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,640
yeah like you say telling the truth um

1138
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,160
absolutely um

1139
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,400
well i wanted to switch around to focus

1140
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,720
a little bit on canada itself and the

1141
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,640
canadian military the canadian

1142
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:29,119
government how have you found

1143
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,400
they've been dealing with it in the

1144
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,800
let's say the past two or three decades

1145
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,720
and maybe how it's evolved

1146
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,760
yeah well canada has really been very uh

1147
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,640
cagey about how it um has been dealing

1148
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,200
with the with the ufo issue

1149
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,760
uh the best the best indication that i

1150
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,440
can give to you

1151
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,960
is um

1152
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,480
my um

1153
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,200
freedom of information request now that

1154
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,760
up here they're not called uh fois

1155
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,520
they're called access to information

1156
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,440
requests right so it's the same

1157
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,319
procedure in the states sure but uh up

1158
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,880
here we call access to information

1159
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:06,079
so um

1160
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:07,280
what i did

1161
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,870
sure to ask

1162
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,400
the canadian government the department

1163
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,880
of defense to release to me

1164
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,720
all of and this is just one example i

1165
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,480
can i'll just you know briefly kind of

1166
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,119
describe my my experience to release to

1167
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,000
me all of the documents that they had

1168
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:29,839
uh that um

1169
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,359
that that told us about uh canadian

1170
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,319
norad jets the north american treaty

1171
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,160
alliance that we have jointly with the

1172
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,359
united states absolutely of all uh norad

1173
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,160
jets that were scrambled to chase

1174
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,440
ufos that's where i started okay

1175
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,560
yep so my request was please

1176
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,040
send me all documents about scrambled

1177
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,599
jets norad and ufos

1178
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:57,520
i got a nice letter back and said well

1179
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,400
we don't have anything about that and as

1180
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,400
it turned out i was using the wrong

1181
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,839
terminology i they did not they did not

1182
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,280
recognize the term

1183
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,400
you know when i say recognize term ufo

1184
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,160
so i said you know what terminology

1185
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,480
should i use and i got no response

1186
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,280
right so i i found out through another

1187
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,359
conduit information that

1188
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,440
all i needed to do was use the right

1189
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,079
terminology and then the request would

1190
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:26,560
be fulfilled and the right terminology

1191
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,319
was a combination of the terms tois

1192
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,640
tracts of interest that was one term

1193
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,480
okay

1194
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,480
and then the other term was

1195
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
unknown tracks

1196
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,920
and what was the other term and just

1197
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,400
basically unknown so those three terms

1198
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,119
tois unknown tracks and unknowns if i'd

1199
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,119
used those terms to begin with i'd have

1200
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,560
got my results

1201
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,720
like that but i just used ufos which

1202
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,319
they didn't recognize

1203
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:53,200
so

1204
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,200
100 pages from back from the department

1205
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,240
of defense about my request

1206
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,640
and it was everything from you know just

1207
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,440
you know

1208
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,560
citing reports by air traffic control

1209
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,359
rcmp reports and this one uh regular

1210
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,160
citizen reports uh so it was like 100

1211
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,359
pages but within those 100 pages vinnie

1212
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,839
there were six pages of an air traffic

1213
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:21,520
control log

1214
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:27,829
two norad jets they were scrambled out

1215
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:31,119
of comax air force base to chase

1216
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,000
three

1217
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:33,680
unknowns

1218
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,559
wow yeah and so they were scrambled and

1219
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:38,160
there were six documents i can send them

1220
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:39,280
to you eventually if you want you can

1221
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:46,630
so these these um these

1222
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,309
and went after them and these objects

1223
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,559
were just moving at incredible speed

1224
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,599
and as they got to a point where they

1225
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,119
were beginning to recognize that they

1226
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,280
had a signature on their radar they also

1227
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,040
got a report the air traffic controllers

1228
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:07,839
did of a medical evacuation jet coming

1229
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,880
out of anchorage alaska an lr-35 medical

1230
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,119
evacuation jet who actually caught

1231
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,760
visual sighting of these three ufos and

1232
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,079
they tried to chase it and they reported

1233
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,319
back to the air traffic control we see

1234
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,280
them but we can't catch up to them

1235
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,880
and it that that's all the verbiage

1236
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,040
right in the air traffic control report

1237
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,400
and then just after that um the timing

1238
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:33,119
of it is a matter of minutes three to

1239
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,839
five minutes uh one of the cf-18 jets um

1240
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,520
catches up to these things and they

1241
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,520
report back to

1242
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,920
uh the air traffic control

1243
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:46,400
90 seconds to target and then a few

1244
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,120
lines down again

1245
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,280
[Music]

1246
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,119
contact made

1247
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:52,720
and then everything else after that

1248
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,079
everything else after that is redacted

1249
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,000
i'm not surprised but am i right in

1250
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,000
saying that around that time there was a

1251
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,160
like a protocol in place between the

1252
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,240
canadian air force norad and the

1253
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:06,319
government to actually report these

1254
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,790
yeah this i think they're called the

1255
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,960
service documents yeah right uh yeah

1256
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,359
they had they had a mechanism whereby

1257
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:19,760
they reported this but um it was it was

1258
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,119
not used um as it was in this particular

1259
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,280
incident and i'm not sure of how the

1260
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,880
service dog service cirvis document is

1261
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,960
used on a regular basis but it was

1262
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,640
definitely not used in the way that the

1263
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,079
air traffic controllers received the

1264
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,000
information from the pilots of these two

1265
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,200
cf-18 jets yeah so i'm not sure why

1266
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,400
um but norad definitely did

1267
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,440
you know catalog it but i asked for all

1268
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,079
of the reports and i just got one

1269
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,520
wow and just got one and uh whether that

1270
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,440
that was a mistake or not i don't know

1271
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,400
it was just something that uh um i could

1272
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:58,160
have gotten all of them were there more

1273
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,440
i don't know

1274
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,520
um but i've i followed up with them

1275
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,079
we're trying to get more from them but

1276
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,160
you know i really don't have the time or

1277
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,000
the effort or the inclination right now

1278
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,920
to to do that kind of stuff because

1279
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,240
there's so much more coming forward

1280
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,960
within the political

1281
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,000
over

1282
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,680
both united states and in canada with

1283
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,920
respect to how things are evolving so if

1284
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,640
i dig too deeply or spend too much time

1285
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,240
you know digging for documents trying to

1286
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,000
convince government officials trying to

1287
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,200
talk to norad i i i begin chasing my

1288
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,040
tail it's just not a good thing for me

1289
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,559
to do and it's not really that

1290
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,119
beneficial and eventually even if i did

1291
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,359
get something vinnie even if even if i

1292
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,839
did you know get a you know a ball

1293
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,599
buster kind of document

1294
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,680
it really wouldn't change the direction

1295
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,680
of what the pentagon has done

1296
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,319
uh what the the office of of um the

1297
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,000
director of national intelligence is

1298
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,640
doing what the senate is doing what

1299
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,640
marco rubio was doing with mark warner

1300
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,599
is doing

1301
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,920
that that is the kind of focus that i'm

1302
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,079
involved in right now so any kind of

1303
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,599
chasing after documents to me is uh is

1304
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,920
to me chasing my tail and and a bit of a

1305
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,800
bit of a waste of my time there may be

1306
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,000
something out there and i don't don't

1307
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,760
get me wrong there may be stuff out

1308
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,760
there that's really really germane

1309
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,839
but right now the political implications

1310
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,359
and the way all this stuff is pouring

1311
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,240
out through the atip program and all the

1312
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,480
other stuff that luis alizondo is doing

1313
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,800
and even internationally with respect to

1314
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,800
how the stuff is playing out is much

1315
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,160
more um

1316
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,319
how can i say intrusive with respect to

1317
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,160
how we understand disclosure and how the

1318
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,400
international community and journalists

1319
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,839
understand what's really really going on

1320
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,240
in washington and internationally so

1321
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,920
that to me is the focus of where i i

1322
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,760
would have where i'm kind of placing all

1323
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,599
of my cards right now

1324
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,599
i agree completely i'm really focused

1325
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,359
right now on what we're seeing come out

1326
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:48,800
of the house representatives and the

1327
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,400
senate with h.r 4350 yes 2610 i mean

1328
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,599
exactly these bipartisan votes have been

1329
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,480
flying through yeah dare i say you know

1330
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,240
so it definitely looks positive for

1331
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,520
something getting signed in for a

1332
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,240
permanent uap office in the future i

1333
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,920
just see that happening

1334
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,160
well i i'll take off in your point i

1335
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,119
just hope that uh this this new um

1336
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,400
office of ufo investigation that uh um

1337
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,960
what is his name ruben delago i believe

1338
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,480
yeah yeah

1339
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,200
he put an amendment into the uh

1340
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,800
whole um

1341
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:24,800
authorization act he put an amendment to

1342
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,680
create this office of ufo investigation

1343
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:29,920
now um

1344
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,040
i don't i really i don't know just yet i

1345
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,640
don't know what to make of it completely

1346
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,040
but is this another way of just stalling

1347
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,720
things because they put forward this

1348
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:42,319
amendment and um the the congress and

1349
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:50,950
a quarterly basis and eventually yearly

1350
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,680
for the next four or five years about

1351
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,400
ufo their investigations now is this

1352
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,839
another project blue book that'll just

1353
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,000
kind of fade out of existence or will

1354
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,480
this be an authentic investigation over

1355
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,040
time where things are released that that

1356
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,800
that the senate intelligence committee

1357
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,400
and people in the congress will

1358
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,960
eventually come to the realization that

1359
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,440
um the tic tac videos and all the other

1360
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,920
stuff that luis alizondo brought forward

1361
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,200
and other people from within the

1362
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,839
pentagon that this is something in fact

1363
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,760
that we have to have major hearings

1364
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,280
about to me

1365
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,599
that's where this is all going

1366
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,559
and if if we get congressional hearings

1367
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:31,599
on this issue whereby people like robert

1368
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,800
salas like um robert jacobs and all of

1369
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,880
the other uh launch commanders that were

1370
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,359
involved in malstrom air force base and

1371
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,960
all of the other uh nuclear

1372
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,960
installations uh that were involved in

1373
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,960
when these missiles were shut down by

1374
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,359
ufos those kinds of things in addition

1375
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,240
to that all the pilots uh that have

1376
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,480
engaged these things the u.s navy and

1377
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,880
the u.s air force if they hold hearings

1378
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,520
to bring these kinds of people forward

1379
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,880
before the senate committee on

1380
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:00,400
intelligence to give

1381
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,549
this will be an age of enlightenment

1382
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,640
with respect to authentic testimony by

1383
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,440
people who have seen in these things

1384
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,599
they've engaged them and all of the

1385
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,680
other kinds of things that um that have

1386
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,520
been sort of hidden from the public eye

1387
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,800
so that's where i'm heading with all of

1388
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,440
this if this new investigation approach

1389
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,599
uh by the congress leads to here to

1390
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,520
public hearings it's going to be another

1391
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,680
watergate all over again and it's going

1392
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,839
to make the impeachment of donald trump

1393
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,160
and and watergate and the pentagon

1394
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,720
papers look like a storybook uh you know

1395
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,040
a little fairy tale compared to what

1396
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,359
these witnesses will actually be able to

1397
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,799
relate to the senate intelligence

1398
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,839
committee so that's that's what i'm

1399
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,760
looking forward to no absolutely i

1400
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,599
completely agree i think it's great that

1401
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,040
robert salas has

1402
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,400
um he's going to be talking in the

1403
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,319
national press club in what just under

1404
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,799
two weeks october 19th you know that's

1405
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,880
fantastic but i hope that is a precedent

1406
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,200
for what we might see in a year's time

1407
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,280
for example in some public congressional

1408
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,760
hearings so i'm fully with you on that

1409
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640
um i'm just gonna throw up this question

1410
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,480
megan t thank you for the five dollars

1411
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,640
uh does he believe the rumor that tic

1412
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:11,599
tacs are canadian

1413
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,109
yeah that's a new one to me no uh tic

1414
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,559
tacs

1415
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:21,839
uh you mean the candy or the you

1416
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,440
i think i'm sorry i don't i don't want

1417
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,599
to be trite no uh

1418
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:27,839
no i i don't i don't i don't think that

1419
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,799
uh there may let's put it this way

1420
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,720
with a number of citing reports that i

1421
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,960
have read over the years

1422
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:36,319
and

1423
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,920
close to

1424
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,200
half of the 9500 ufo files that are

1425
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:47,359
evident on the canadian

1426
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,240
library archives on ufos

1427
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,160
a lot of the reports i'm being very

1428
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:55,200
serious here vinnie a lot of the reports

1429
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,200
that i have read about do describe ufos

1430
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,720
as small

1431
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,559
um

1432
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,000
elliptical or whatever you want to call

1433
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,920
it tic tac looking

1434
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,119
uh

1435
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,680
ufos um

1436
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,160
they seem to have taken that shape in a

1437
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,720
lot of reports yeah and you know light

1438
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,720
comes out and it becomes this or that

1439
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,559
and it jumps this way or it jumps that

1440
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:21,359
way or it moved up and down with it with

1441
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,640
a with a speed that's unrecognizable um

1442
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,040
so i'm not being tug in cheek by saying

1443
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,960
that some of the reports that i have

1444
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:31,119
read to be really honest with with your

1445
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:36,870
the

1446
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:41,520
department or norad do in fact have is

1447
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,799
gun camera videos or

1448
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,359
reports that that are very similar to

1449
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,280
the tic tac videos that luis elizondo

1450
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,599
brought forward uh out of his experience

1451
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,640
within the pentagon so uh in in all

1452
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,119
with no jest at all i'm saying that some

1453
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,559
of the stuff that's reported in canada

1454
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,480
and other places in in

1455
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,160
in in the throughout the globe peru and

1456
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,799
chile are very very similar to the kinds

1457
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,240
of things that were reported by the us

1458
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,799
navy pilots wow that's interesting so

1459
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,440
yeah it is it is yeah i i apologize if i

1460
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,119
came across a bit harsh then but if

1461
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,960
you've got any information or anything

1462
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:15,839
that

1463
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,319
i'd be interested to see it and

1464
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,920
finally victor i think one thing i

1465
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,200
really wanted to talk to you or touch

1466
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,400
upon is isa now i've been lucky enough

1467
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,799
to have a lot of communication and even

1468
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,280
met up with gary hesseltein recently

1469
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,280
to discuss it and i think this is

1470
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,640
personally i think this is a really good

1471
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,480
push forwards for

1472
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,720
another example of a group coming

1473
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,240
together outside of the government to

1474
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,040
really push this subject forward what

1475
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,480
how did you get involved and where do

1476
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:46,400
you see this going in the future well

1477
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:48,780
first of all how i got involved was uh

1478
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:51,920
[Music]

1479
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,470
with my good friend don schmidt um don

1480
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,480
schmidt and i as i told you earlier i've

1481
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,720
had a great rapport and uh experience

1482
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,480
with don over the years i i've

1483
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,640
interviewed him several times on back on

1484
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,559
radio with strangers indeed uh with

1485
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,559
errol bruce knapp and even on my own

1486
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,200
podcast and we we communicate regularly

1487
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,599
right and i guess it was

1488
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,440
about a year ago maybe just a little bit

1489
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,280
more than that

1490
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:17,040
don

1491
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,240
called me

1492
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,400
and he said he gave me a bit of a

1493
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,200
background on what on how icer began

1494
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,960
with respect to how the china initiative

1495
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,520
evolved was in place way back when and

1496
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,640
how it kind of um it kind of

1497
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,760
fell through

1498
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,760
but he said that they were re they were

1499
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,200
re-sort of

1500
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,960
invigorating this initiative and

1501
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,200
becoming icer

1502
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,559
the international coalition for

1503
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,440
extraterrestrial research and this this

1504
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:44,960
group of people

1505
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,160
were very very serious about gathering

1506
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,400
as many representatives from as many

1507
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:52,319
countries as possible

1508
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,920
uh to to build a coalition of countries

1509
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,599
and so they had representatives from

1510
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,000
peru from uh you know spain and from

1511
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,079
portugal the uk

1512
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,400
denmark et cetera et cetera so they at

1513
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,240
the time that i spoke to don initially i

1514
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,430
17 or 18 um international

1515
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,960
representatives from those countries and

1516
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,119
didn't ask me if i wanted to be the

1517
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,400
canadian rep

1518
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,319
and i said my goodness after you know

1519
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,480
hearing more about it and him explaining

1520
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,240
the the direction they were going i said

1521
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,960
by all means i will i will more than

1522
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,960
want to become the canadian rep with

1523
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,200
that so that's why i i fell involved

1524
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,200
with with icer and became the canadian

1525
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,640
rep and from there

1526
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:37,440
uh you know it all of the um that the

1527
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,799
meetings and discussions and the

1528
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,000
activities

1529
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:42,640
i got to learn that icer

1530
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:45,839
the motivation behind icer is to move

1531
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,119
beyond just regular governmental

1532
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,920
um uh investigation about ufos now there

1533
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,400
is sort of a scientific basis about it

1534
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:57,200
but um what what isir wants to do is

1535
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,520
make this an international issue whereby

1536
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,480
all of the countries that are

1537
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,400
represented represented right now i

1538
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,839
think we have 27 or 28 representatives

1539
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,240
and from those representatives

1540
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:12,799
icers one of icer's main missions is to

1541
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,160
somehow coalesce and be recognized by

1542
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,240
the government of san marino

1543
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,720
who because of that recognition

1544
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,720
uh if we if we if we do get that

1545
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,200
recognition from from san marino we can

1546
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,240
go forward with um allowing icer to be

1547
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,559
represented or at least make a overtures

1548
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:33,599
to the united nations to give testimony

1549
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,640
about the ufo issue and the whole

1550
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:38,319
plethora of information about you at

1551
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,319
uaps and then from that um develop some

1552
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:44,799
sort of format where the united nations

1553
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,480
or san marino can hold a yearly

1554
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,000
ufo international congress to allow

1555
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,240
everyone on the planet to plug into the

1556
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,559
fact that this is an international issue

1557
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,559
and it's kind of i think vinnie it's a

1558
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,839
great idea because it's moving away from

1559
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,520
um

1560
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:05,920
the us being the uh

1561
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,280
the the focal point of the uap issue

1562
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,040
most people think that all the ufo

1563
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,960
reports and all the same you know occur

1564
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,119
in the united states which is which is

1565
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:17,359
not in fact the truth it's a global

1566
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:21,119
issue so if we yeah it no i i recognize

1567
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,559
that perhaps

1568
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,400
the united states congress is probably

1569
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,079
at this point in time

1570
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,119
making

1571
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,599
the best political efforts about getting

1572
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,319
this thing forward and i i do want to to

1573
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,319
emphasize that because there's really no

1574
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,960
other political um impetus right now

1575
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,200
other than

1576
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,040
what's happening in the universe

1577
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:43,040
rather than the uh the us congress to

1578
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,160
move this thing forward and i've got

1579
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,839
i've got to give credit to that but i

1580
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,839
think the realization has to eventually

1581
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,240
evolve that this is a global issue that

1582
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,880
affects every single planet uh pardon me

1583
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,880
every single person on the planet

1584
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:56,400
and and that it is something that we

1585
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,760
must put forward in that way so i think

1586
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,599
that's what iser is trying to do is make

1587
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,359
this an international issue that

1588
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,200
eventually we can put before

1589
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,440
the united nations and have an open uh

1590
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,520
dialogue about the whole discussion of

1591
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,680
the uap issue that that's where i see

1592
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,520
everything really going and being as

1593
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,559
effective as we can internationally

1594
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,400
yeah i think the

1595
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,680
people have really

1596
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,200
since they've seen the emergence of iso

1597
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,119
i think they've really seen the standout

1598
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,119
that it's taking it away like you said

1599
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,119
away from the us and onto that global

1600
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,599
scale and i think that's excited and and

1601
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,920
sparked a fire in a lot of people so i

1602
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,599
think that is exciting so i completely

1603
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,359
agree and i look forward to seeing what

1604
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,799
happens um

1605
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,880
listen victor before we go

1606
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,559
have you got anything planned coming up

1607
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,119
in the future for yourself personally or

1608
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,240
anything like that well right now um i'm

1609
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:46,240
working like hell to get

1610
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,200
to get

1611
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,240
bob salas on the map uh supporting him

1612
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,319
and getting his whole uh press

1613
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,880
conference out into the open and just

1614
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:57,359
today i'm gonna be um releasing this in

1615
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,880
probably a few minutes

1616
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,079
uh

1617
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,039
i'm going to be suggesting um that as

1618
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:04,960
many people as possible

1619
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,520
communicate with journalists about the

1620
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,359
press conferences coming up on october

1621
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,680
19th i just did an interview with bob

1622
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,079
salas um last week i'll be releasing

1623
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,880
that hopefully if i can get it edited uh

1624
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,480
by the end of this week

1625
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,880
and getting that out i think it's really

1626
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,039
important that everybody realize what

1627
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,359
bob is doing here bob is putting

1628
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,160
together a coalition of

1629
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,160
people who have our direct witnesses

1630
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,799
about the the nuclear missile shutdown

1631
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:34,960
and why uh these extraterrestrials

1632
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,359
whoever they are are are just simply

1633
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,119
disabling these missiles

1634
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,280
rather than shutting them down

1635
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,119
that's that's a really really key

1636
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,599
component of what bob is doing why are

1637
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,280
these or these uh

1638
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,760
craft just disabling these missiles

1639
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,520
rather than destroying them there's

1640
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:53,200
another intention there there's an

1641
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:54,799
intentionality

1642
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,359
by these extraterrestrials to to send us

1643
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,200
a message that we have to eliminate

1644
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,680
nuclear weapons so uh right now that's

1645
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:03,119
one of the things that i'm really really

1646
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,319
focusing on

1647
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,160
and trying to get as many journalists as

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01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:08,960
possible to uh to recognize what bob is

1649
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,270
the actual press conference and i've got

1650
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,839
about 12 uh washington correspondents

1651
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,520
from everyone from the you know new york

1652
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,599
to the new york times to the detroit

1653
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,319
free press uh the chicago tribune they

1654
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,480
each have washington bureau

1655
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,200
representatives in washington d.c and as

1656
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,480
you know

1657
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,319
this press conference will be at the

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01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:34,640
washington press club that yeah that

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01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,349
right so in the same building so i want

1660
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,440
to get some of those people who are

1661
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,119
washington i want to get them in that

1662
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,160
building to listen to to all of the um

1663
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,680
to all of the launch commanders that

1664
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,119
were there and all the other witnesses

1665
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,960
and read the actual affidavits i want

1666
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,720
these people to get in that building to

1667
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,200
hear the testimony and once they realize

1668
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,200
that bob salas is authentic and all the

1669
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,000
people that that did engage with the

1670
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,720
shutdown of all those missiles multiple

1671
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:11,039
12 15 of these things at a time they're

1672
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,319
going to have to shake their head and

1673
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,400
say what's really going on here and at

1674
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,960
their risk if they deny it they will be

1675
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,440
responsible for continuing the cover-up

1676
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,039
so i'm going to lay it in their hands

1677
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,280
laid on their shoulders to get there and

1678
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,280
to understand what the hell is going on

1679
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,119
and they have to realize that what went

1680
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,520
on was real that was authentic and then

1681
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:31,839
we are in being engaged by off-world

1682
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:34,240
civilization so that to me is the

1683
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,599
biggest impetus right now that i'm

1684
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:38,000
working on now personally and i put my

1685
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,440
own podcast and i'll be doing other

1686
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,039
interviews but right now that's the

1687
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,760
focus of my of my activities

1688
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,680
that's fantastic and i completely agree

1689
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,039
i've been promoting

1690
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:48,960
the the stuff that bob salas has got

1691
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:50,799
coming up as well on my own my own

1692
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,520
channels and where where will we be able

1693
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,960
to hear this interview that you've just

1694
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:56,960
done with robert himself uh is that on

1695
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,359
your podcast where can we find that uh

1696
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:01,119
eventually if you go to zlan

1697
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,559
communications

1698
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,760
uh it does google z land z-l-a-n-d

1699
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,200
communications

1700
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,440
right now i the first thing i have up

1701
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:11,200
there is a book review

1702
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,119
uh by um the book written by richard

1703
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,720
o'connor new ufos and nuclear weapons

1704
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,480
and a new age of reason i interviewed

1705
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,640
richard just last week i just published

1706
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:24,799
part one of that interview so if they

1707
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:27,760
want to go to ufo to zlan communications

1708
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,640
and listen to that interview and then i

1709
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,880
just actually i i was in the middle of

1710
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,640
editing it last night so i'm going to

1711
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,559
have bob salas's interview up and ready

1712
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,680
to go

1713
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:40,160
hopefully uh by thursday or friday of

1714
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,910
and listen to that too probably by

1715
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,400
monday of next week if not sooner lovely

1716
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,319
i'll make sure that i pop the links in

1717
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,920
the description of this video below so

1718
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,280
that everyone that watches it can go

1719
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,039
ahead and just click it and go straight

1720
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,359
there so yeah i think it's very short

1721
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,520
well listen victor thank you so much for

1722
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,039
joining me tonight i really do

1723
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,960
appreciate it i've had a fantastic time

1724
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,039
talking to you so thank you

1725
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,480
it's been a pleasure and thank you very

1726
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,240
much for your interest and i really like

1727
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,680
your t-shirt

1728
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,039
oh well i thought i wore this in honor

1729
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,440
of yourself obviously you know i had to

1730
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,000
i had to do it beautiful beautiful thank

1731
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:20,400
you so much vinny yeah yeah

1732
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:21,119
now

1733
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,480
hopefully we'll get to speak again in

1734
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,480
the future that would be fantastic yeah

1735
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,319
so take care maybe after the after the

1736
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,839
press conference after the press

1737
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,119
conference we could get together again

1738
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,440
and see what uh what the fallout is and

1739
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,119
how we can make sense of it okay thank

1740
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:35,200
you so much we'll touch base definitely

1741
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:42,549
guys thank you so much everyone for

1742
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,960
watching i really appreciate uh you guys

1743
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,400
being here as always thank you to the

1744
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,760
guys for the super stickers and the

1745
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,079
super chats uh i hope it answered all

1746
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,799
your questions and um i'll be here at

1747
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,520
the moment we got one week before my

1748
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,520
next interview but mr lou elizondo is

1749
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,119
going to join us again

1750
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,720
um which is going to be fantastic so

1751
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,440
guys thank you so much and i will see